[Silatyogi]

Has anyone ever used trees to condition elbows, palms, fists, forearms, shoulders, back, legs etc?
And if so how do you go about doing so?

Thanks

Santiago Dobles

[ksma]

Selamat Santiago-
I have not used live trees, but have used rattan rings and a log with a rope around it to roll up my shins and back (that was a long time ago and thanks for that painful memory!).
Anymore, I generally grab a friend and we may do some conditioning on each other, with copious amounts of balur to ease the pai...errrr...good times!

[KC]

Bad idea! It is better to use techniques that do not use conditioning!!!

Ken Lucas

[Guru Jim]

Bad idea! It is better to use techniques that do not use conditioning!!!

Ken Lucas

My first teacher believed in Body Conditioning. I toughened my shins, hands, arms and so on. I did body toughening when I was a teenage to my early 30's. My strikes are like Iron, and my kicks can do damage. However, I'm almost 40 and I have arthritis in feet, hands, and knees. My doctor told me it was from the repeated long term pounding I use to give them. So I now pay the price for body toughening.

[KC]

Hello Jim:
I think you are right! Goeroe Malterer had what he called the 'Iron Hand' Program. It consisted of different hand weapons hitting progressive harder targets with a higher reps each time. There was also a solution to dip your hands into.

I was luckly I never had the time to take the program.

Ken Lucas

[ksma]

KC, on 06 February 2010 - 09:53 PM, said:

Bad idea! It is better to use techniques that do not use conditioning!!!

Ken Lucas

I can't say I was a huge proponent of body conditioning and only did occasional seated jurus. Nowadays, I keep my stash of balur around for the bruises that do happen.
Jay

[richard sackville]

Silatyogi, on 24 May 2007 - 04:21 PM, said:

Has anyone ever used trees to condition elbows, palms, fists, forearms, shoulders, back, legs etc?
And if so how do you go about doing so?

Thanks

Santiago Dobles

Hi Santiago, I like trees so not going to be hitting them anytime soon. Coming from an English boxing background, my grandfather use to mix up some evil smelling liquid that we were surposed to dip our hands in. It did make bruses go away but also attracted all the local cats!

Being almost 45 years old now, after 30 years of boxing and Muay Thai, I don't have any problems that Guru Jim talks about above and thanks to lots of thai pad work over the years my shins are rock hard. My gut feeling with all this is an amount of condtioning is usful but hitting his soft bits with your hard bits is better. However I am very much a beginer in Silat.

Regards

Richard

[Guru Jim]

richard sackville, on 10 March 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

I don't have any problems that Guru Jim talks about above and thanks to lots of thai pad work over the years my shins are rock hard. My gut feeling with all this is an amount of condtioning is usful but hitting his soft bits with your hard bits is better.

Body conditioning has it's merits, and it's draw backs. If I'm fighting with someone I can use my shins to block which doesn't bother me. The other person on the other hand is in a lot of pain. However, like in any machine, the more something is used or struck. The part is going to wear out. What I discribed doesn't bother me that much but the conditioning took it's effective. I'm glad you're not going through that, but however, it doesn't slow me down.